JW’s, or followers of Christ, where can I find a historical reference to the date of 607 BC?
July 31, 2010 | 6 Comments
In an on-line article from the watchtower we can read this apparently incorrect date of 607 BC for the overthrow of Jerusalem.
“How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. ”http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm
The JWs arrive at the date of 1914, their most important date, by using the date Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians and some very inventive mathematics.
1914 was to the end of the world, but when that didn’t happen they changed that to 1915, then back to 1914 as the date that Christ took His place on His throne invisibly. The "time of the gentiles" did not end so they had to use the date for some other important event.
I have done some investigation on the internet and can not find a reference anywhere to that date of 607 BC. (With the exception of JWs publications. it seems they are the only ones to believe this is the correct date)
Where can I find a reference from an recognized historian as to 607BC being the correct date?
I can not find any interdependent site to show that 607 BC is correct.
As 586 BC seems to be the correct date that would make the invisible return of Christ in 1935 not 1914.
What was so special about 1935?
Could the JW’s be incorrect with the information they publish?
586 BC .After Judah again joins with Egypt against Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonians invade Jerusalem,destroy the Temple, and drive the population into exile in Babylon
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israe…
589-7 Siege and fall of Jerusalem; second deportation July/August 587
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_…
From the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple and the cessation of the Davidic monarchy in 586 B.C.E. through the decree permitting the exiled Judeans to return to Judah in 538,
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history/…
Babylonian Exile
Unlike the Assyrians, the Babylonians, in 586 B.C.E., succeeded to conquer Jerusalem. The Babylonians, led by Nebuchadnezzer, destroyed the Temple and exiled the Jews to Babylonia.
http://judaism.about.com/od/jerusalem/a/…
Please help the JWs out and find a reference to agree with their published date of 607 BC, sorry, we have to keep Christ out of it, therefore 607 B.C.E.
Why do the JW’s need to remove reference to Christ in regard to the date?
Thomas Moore, I think independent historical evidence does not include an opinion from a JW on another site.
We may as well read the LIES in the Watchtower as read that trash.
Not a Jehovah’s Witness but a Christian. Independent research confirms that Jerusalem was finally destroyed by the Babylonians in 587 BC. The reason historians and archaelogists can be so confident about the exact date is because of the wealth of recorded evidence that exists.
History of the Babylonians by Alan Millard: “In 605 BC, Nebuchadnezzar (605-562) defeated the Egyptian Pharaoh Necho at Carchemish. The last king, Nabonidus (555-539) lived in northern Arabia for 10 years, leaving the kingdom in the hands of his son, Belshazzar. Judah became subject to Babylon after Carchemish, but a few years later King Jehoiakim rebelled. Nebuchadnezzar’s army marched to Judah and besieged Jerusalem. The new king, Jehoiachin, was taken prisoner to Babylon with many leading citizens. Cuneiform tablets record rations issued to him and his family there. The siege with its date (15-16 March 597 BC) is entered in the Babylonian Chronicle. Ten years later Nebuchadnezzar returned because Zedekiah, the king he had appointed, revolted. This time the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and its Temple and took most of the people to Babylonia (587/6 BC). For all its glory, the Babylonian Empire lasted less than a century. The army of Cyrus the Persian captured Babylon in 539 BC."
Jerusalem besieged 15 January 588 BC (2 Kings 25:1; Jeremiah 52:4; Ezekiel 24). Fall of Jerusalem in 587 BC. Within a few months of the fall of Jerusalem, Nebuchadnezzar’s army laid siege to Tyre for 13 years. Sidon also fell. (Ezekiel 26 – 28) Of the seven prophecies against Egypt (Ezekiel 29-32), six can be dated according to historical evidence:
Ezekiel 29:1-16: 1st – January 587
Ezekiel 29:17-21: 2nd – New Year’s day, 571 – The long and costly siege of Tyre ended about 574.
Ezekiel 30:20-26: 4th – April 587 – Pharaoh Hophra’s army had made a half-hearted attempt to relieve besieged Jerusalem but had been defeated.
Ezekiel 31:1-18: 5th – June 587 and Ezekiel 32:1-16: 6th – March 585 – After the news of Jerusalem’s fall had reached the exiles.
Ezekiel 32:17-32: 7th – March 585
Major events in Jeremiah’s lifetime:
627 – Jeremiah called to be God’s prophet. Death of Ashurbanipal, last king of Assyria.
621 – Discovery of the book of the law. King Josiah’s great reformation begins.
612 – Nineveh, capital of Assyria, falls to Babylon.
609 – The Egyptian army marches north to help Assyria. Josiah intercepts it at Megiddo and is killed. On his return from Assyria, Pharaoh Necho deposes the new king, Jehoahaz, placing Jehoiakim on the throne.
605 – Egyptian forces routed at Carchemish by Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon.
604 – Nebuchadnezzar subdues Syria, Judah and Philistine cities.
598 – Alliance with Egypt brings the Babylonian forces down on Judah again.
597 – King Jehoiakim dies, Jerusalem falls to Babylon after a two-month siege. The new king, Jehoiachin, is deported to Babylon. His uncle, Zedekiah, is put on the throne.
588 – Under pressure from the pro-Egypt party, Zedekiah breaks faith with Babylon. Jerusalem under siege for 18 months.
587 – The Babylonian army breaks into Jerusalem. The people are deported, the city plundered and burned, the Temple destroyed. Three months later, governor Gedaliah is murdered. Jeremiah is taken to Egypt.
No historical evidence exists to support 607 BC as being the date when the Babylonians finally destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.
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In an on-line article from the watchtower we can read this apparently false date of the overthrow of Jerusalem.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/bh/appendix_10.htm
“How and when, though, did God’s rulership begin to be “trampled on by the nations”? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians.”
The JWs arrive at this, their most important date “1914”, by using the date Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians and some very inventive mathematics. 1914 was to the end of the world, but when that didn’t happen they changed that to the date that Christ took His place on His throne invisibly.
I have done some investigation on the internet and can not find a reference anywhere to that date of 607 BC.
Where can I find a reference from an historian as to that being the correct date?
All the dates I can find show that the JWs have used the wrong date, could they be incorrect with the information they publish?
586 BC .After Judah again joins with Egypt against Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonians invade Jerusalem,destroy the Temple, and drive the population into exile in Babylon
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-timeline.htm
589-7 Siege and fall of Jerusalem; second deportation July/August 587
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity
From the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple and the cessation of the Davidic monarchy in 586 B.C.E. through the decree permitting the exiled Judeans to return to Judah in 538,
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history/Ancient_and_Medieval_History/2500_BCE-539_BCE/Jerusalem_Destruction_and_Restoration.shtml
Babylonian Exile
Unlike the Assyrians, the Babylonians, in 586 B.C.E., succeeded to conquer Jerusalem. The Babylonians, led by Nebuchadnezzer, destroyed the Temple and exiled the Jews to Babylonia.
http://judaism.about.com/od/jerusalem/a/jerslm_jews.htm
Please help the JWs out and find a reference to agree with their published date of 607 BC, sorry, we have to take Christ out of it, therefore 607 B.C.E.
dreamer.rc42, that site tells me that most people agree that it is the wrong date.
Man, I was trying to find a historical reference, not turn a blind eye. Is the date wrong?
man, you gave me a reference for the reference I gave you.
Only in Watch Tower material will anyone find 607 referenced as the date of the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple.
It may be of interest that the Babylonians did attack in 608/7 BC but the attack faltered. The Babylonians did take prisoners, slaves, hostages (which is captivity). Daniel is thought to be one of those taken as prisoner during this time. Another thought is that Daniel did return some seventy years later but only for a short time and returned to his home in Babylon.
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The only reason that the Watch Tower uses 607 B. C. E. is to force fit four verses eisegenically and unrelated. This is to justify 1914 as a date of importance.
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The Watch Tower uses B. C. E. which stands for Before Common Era.
Why?
The Watch Tower uses C. E. which stands for Common Era
Why?
Christians use B.C. and A.D. which stands for Before Christ and Anno Domini which means Year of our Lord respectively.
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